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Krugman and Krugman and Social Security

21 Nov 2007 01:11 pm

Ruth Marcus of the Washington Post launches an angry attack on Paul Krugman's recent column on Social Security, which accused Barack Obama of being played for a sucker on the issue.

The argument has two equally dishonest components. The first is to deny that Social Security faces a daunting financing problem -- one that will be much easier to fix (and less onerous for the low-income retirees that the head-in-the-sanders purport to care about) sooner rather than later. The second is to mischaracterize the arguments of those who advocate responsible action, accusing them of hyping the system's woes.

One prominent practitioner of this misguided approach is New York Times columnist Paul Krugman. "Inside the Beltway, doomsaying about Social Security -- declaring that the program as we know it can't survive the onslaught of retiring baby boomers -- is regarded as a sort of badge of seriousness, a way of showing how statesmanlike and tough-minded you are," Krugman wrote last week. "In fact, the whole Beltway obsession with the fiscal burden of an aging population is misguided."

Somebody should introduce Paul Krugman to . . . Paul Krugman.

"[A] decade from now the population served by those programs [Social Security and Medicare] will explode. . . . Because of those facts, merely balancing the federal budget would be a deeply irresponsible policy -- because that would leave us unprepared for the demographic deluge, with no alternative once it arrives except to raise taxes and slash benefits." (July 11, 2001)

[and so on]...

In addition to this fiscal amnesia, Krugman misrepresents responsible voices in the debate.

First, he quoted a new paper by Congressional Budget Office Director Peter Orszag and CBO analyst Philip Ellis. Notwithstanding "all the attention paid to demographic challenges," they conclude, "our country's financial health will in fact be determined primarily by the growth rate of per capita health care costs."

True, but Krugman omits any mention of Orszag's latest book, inconveniently titled "Saving Social Security." Orszag and co-author Peter Diamond wrote that "Social Security's projected financial difficulties are real and that addressing those difficulties sooner rather than later would make sensible reforms easier and more likely."

Paul Krugman replies on his blog, under the headline, "They hate me! They really hate me!":

What I was arguing then was not that Social Security itself was in crisis, but that the rest of the government budget should be run responsibly — basically, that the lockbox should be honored. As I explained later,

Four years ago, I and many other economists urged policymakers to think about the future cost of Social Security benefits, not because we thought there was anything wrong with Social Security itself, but because we regarded the future costs as a compelling reason not to cut taxes even if the overall budget was in surplus.

As for what I wrote in 1996: the world looked very different then. On one side, Social Security projections were much more pessimistic than they are now, basically because the projections assumed that the 1973-1995 era of very slow productivity growth would go on forever. On the other side, the 90s were the era of the great pause in health expenditures, the (it turned out) brief era in which the rise of managed care stabilized health spending as a share of GDP. So Medicare and Medicaid looked less important as sources of fiscal problems than they do now.

John Maynard Keynes is supposed to have said, “When circumstances change, I change my opinion. What do you do?”

I think Paul's rebuttal is correct, so far as the "circumstances" are concerned. But the circumstances are of course not the only thing to have changed since he opined on this topic in the past. His modes of analysis and expression have changed too, and radically, in ways that often seem calculated to obscure the fact that he is one of the four or five most brilliant economists of his generation. This is not incompetence or inadvertence on his part; it appears to be a conscientious choice. He wants to fuel the rage of the administration's opponents more than he wants to help people think through the arguments. He feels that this now serves the greater good. Bush and his people are too wicked for dispassionate analysis, he believes; there will be time for Seriousness later.

In my view, for what little it may be worth, this is a disservice to Paul's own remarkable talents as well as to the greater good. But this is a complaint which, by now, he has heard a thousand times.

Below the fold is my own view of the Social Security "crisis".

Barack Obama has upset a lot of Democrats by bringing social security back into presidential politics. Paul Krugman of The New York Times is leading the charge. In Mr Krugman’s view, following the administration’s clumsy and aborted effort to reform the system – Democrats would say destroy it – leaving well alone makes best political sense. Mr Obama, sounding like a fiscal conservative, warns that retiring baby boomers are pushing the programme into the red and something must be done. He is, says Mr Krugman, being played for a fool.

Mr Obama’s fix, other things equal, ought to appeal to Democrats. He wants to raise or even abolish the upper earnings limit for the social security tax, at present just under $100,000. This would add six percentage points to the top marginal tax rate, even before you add in the promised unwinding of the Bush administration’s tax cuts. In a televised Democratic candidates debate, Hillary Clinton distanced herself from this “trillion dollar” tax increase on the “middle class”. Mr Obama underlined his point by saying that only the richest 7 per cent of taxpayers would be affected, and that is not the middle class.

We will see how this plays out. Democrats who would generally be in favour of unwinding the Bush tax cuts, abolishing the earnings ceiling on the social security tax and finding a few other ways to raise taxes on the rich, are mainly concerned to keep reform of social security off the agenda. It does not need fixing, they say, it is not broken. Any deviation from that gives Republicans an opening to renew their assault on one of America’s finest social-policy achievements. Why go there?

On an important point, they are right: no great fiscal crisis lies in wait for social security. On present policies, the retirement of the baby boomers is going to push the programme into a gently increasing deficit over the next few decades, but tweaks will be enough to deal with it. The worsening of the balance of outlays over revenues between 2005 and the middle of this century is on the order of 2 per cent of gross domestic product. Some mixture of a higher retirement age (desirable in any case, since people are living longer) and a small increase in the tax rate would be more than enough to mend things. No need, Mr Obama, for an additional sharp increase in marginal tax rates for the high-paid.

A fiscal crisis is indeed looming over the next few decades – but its cause is Medicare, not social security. For the US, the real fiscal enemy is not the ageing of the population, but the relentless rise in healthcare costs. The Congressional Budget Office recently reported that, on present trends, federal spending on Medicare (for the elderly) and Medicaid (for the poor) will rise from less than 5 per cent of GDP now to 20 per cent of GDP by 2050. Only about 2.5 percentage points of that increase is due to demographics; the rest is due to health-cost inflation, which is persistently much higher than inflation overall.

From a fiscal point of view, then, the Bush administration’s focus on social security reform was both ill-conceived and, no doubt, deliberately misleading. But that does not mean that social security reform is a bad idea, or even one that Democrats should not embrace. The case for it has little to do with fiscal arithmetic and everything to do with what George W. Bush has called “the ownership society”.

Private saving in the US is roughly zero. Given every incentive by a lunatic tax system, households have borrowed to the hilt and relied on house-price inflation to provide capital to support them in retirement. Those bets are going bad at the moment. Many Americans, especially the least well off, are going to be much more tightly squeezed after they retire than they expect. Social security gives them a base that should not be jeopardised – but for many of the not-rich, with few other resources to draw down, it is not enough. Politicians should be asking themselves how best to encourage more saving – and Democrats should co-opt “the ownership society” as a slogan of their own. So simple: just rebrand it “ownership for all”.

A big theme of Democratic thinking is the need to spread the benefits of capitalism more broadly. Middle-class anxiety is real. Support for liberal trade is collapsing. The answer, Democrats say, is shared prosperity: the rewards of globalisation should go not just to the shareholder class, but to workers too. Quite right. But does this spreading have to be mediated exclusively through higher taxes and higher spending on welfare programmes? Is there not a good liberal case for widening the shareholder class as well?

For genuine social security reformers, that is the real prize. Shore up the system for the least well-off, to be sure, and make the safety net more secure. Then add a new layer, through partial privatisation, of wider participation in equity ownership. Properly conceived, this is a programme for empowering the less well-off, supporting their financial independence and widening access to the benefits of capitalism. No doubt, Republicans have a self-interested tactical reason to support the idea: more shareholders might nudge the electorate their way. But is the Democrats’ equal and opposite reason for denouncing the idea any more noble or public-spirited?

Comments (25)

"He wants to fuel the rage of the administration's opponents more than he wants to help people think through the arguments."

How the hell do you know what Krugman wants? In a post excoriating someone for invective over proof you just go ahead an unilaterally decided what Krugmans wants? If you have some sort of proof of his motives, show it. Otherwise, admit you don't have the slightest clue in hell of what Krugman "wants."

What rts said.

I would like to know what aspect of perceived or actual credibility requires you to put down someone who is as demonstrably correct as Krugman has been because you deem his "motives" to be unbecoming (or whatever it is that you are trying to say here).

This meme of "he's wrong even when he's right" must be some kind of dog whistle -- trying to appease important people who have been demonstrably wrong and who are threatened by a person of such clear integrity -- while trying not to lose every shred of your own.

Of course, to say that it mimics our national discourse on the Iraqi fiasco should go without saying.

So he doesn't play nice?

Maybe Krugman realized that it's pretty stupid to stand around running numbers and politely raising your hand when the country is run by a bunch of crooks backed up with great subtlety by a commentariat of Crooks.

Your historic tax cut has been financed with my excessive payroll tax for Social Security, for many years spent on cut after cut in the income tax. The government has been buying bonds with that surplus to keep itself afloat. This has been going on forever. Gore, after balancing budgets and shrinking government in office, promised to stop this borrowing from the poor to pay the rich by putting our overpaid payroll taxes in a "lockbox" for use in meeting future program requirements. He was mocked for this by Maureen Dowd and probably you.

Now, you Crooks claiming that this money won't be paid back are talking about a historic default of the United States on its debt obligations. Unless you and Marcus can convince the country that this "deficit" actually is a shortfall in funds instead of borrowed payroll-tax surplus, the government will pay its bonds, just like they will for the Chinese or whoever else we've recruited to pay our taxes for us.

Your taxes will probably go up, as will everyone's. It's gonna suck, but that's what you get for living on credit for your salad days. We're not about to give up the Social Security we've worked for, or the bonds its surpluses have bought.

Your modes of analysis and expression have changed too, and radically. Previously, you based your analysis on observable fact and sound inference. Now, you're drawing conclusions without providing any supporting evidence whatsoever.

Is this a conscientious choice, or is it incompetence? And what is it that motivates you to speculate about PK's motives?

I'll have to say, the language Paul used was so juvenile that I didn't bother to finish reading it. I think at his age he really ought to be past name calling.

Crook's suggested "minor tweaks": higher retirement age and increases in the tax rate are outrageous. So what people are living longer! There already exists an inequality in life expectancy among various populations in America. Your insistence that we exacerbate those inequities is appalling. And if you don't see how raising the retirement age and raising SS taxes, regardless of how small adversely affect certain populations more than others, then that's just sad. What concern do you have for the laborers who suffer more physical damage day in and day out than say writers do? What about those low wage workers in poor health because they can't afford health care? Your answer? Make them toil for a few more years AND pay more in taxes. Are you nuts? I'm astonished that you pay them no mind esp since they are the ones whose entire incomes are subject to this tax. Guarantee you these "minor tweaks" of yours will affect the poor much more than they affect you.

We're still waiting. What are your accusations about Krugman's motives and what he "wants" based on. Has he sent you emails to this effect? If so, ask his permission to reprint them, and then do so. Did you, perhaps, overhear a conversation of his telling someone what he "wants" to do?

If it turns out you have no evidence, then have the guts and decency to retract your claims to know what Krugman wants.

We're waiting.

Economics is perhaps the most open and unguarded space in all of politics in terms of the ease in which intellectual dishonesty can become conventional wisdom. If your words are scary enough, the plebs are likely to believe that there's a terrorist in their town tonight prowling for innocent white people, so how about setting up a comission in 1981 to study how we might be able to avoid total anhialation when social security crumbles in the next 3-4 business days.

Alan Greenspan will urge middle class and below to accept a steep hike in their FICA payments, while Reagan cuts taxes for the rich. Ala his pussy-willow (dear God I might just have a conscience) moments in 2001 when he urged that Congress apply triggers to tax cuts for the rich should the federal defecit grow, Greenspan back then said that the social security surplus musn't be spent to finance the budget. In 1985, 1988, 1990, 1994, 1997, 1999, 2001 & 2004 he urges the government to cut benefits and push out the age people can start collecting, but as for the money we were supposed to have...oh, he's not lecturing Congress on that.

Now a writer for The Atlantic has more of the same for you and I. We feeble-minded plebs, so susceptable to distraction. 'You see...it's not even worth talking about Social Security, because Medicare is the real issue now, and Paul Krugman is someone who I think is brilliant, though he has become a triffle too political for my tastes.'

Whoever that right-wing hack is writing editorials on the last page of Barrons, it's just this exact argument he made in an issue from earlier this year. By then Social Security privatization had been spotted for the wolf in sheep's clothing that it was, and so the hammer and chisel had to be applied to a different section of the welfare state for a while. Medicare is the rally point.

Anyways, good luck fooling some people sometimes, and who knows, perhaps another decade or two of blaming teachers unions and the Department of Education for failing to churn out ivy leaguers (on a budget that keeps the thermostat at 60 degrees all winter long) will result in a high enough level of stupidity across this country for this whole "gotta dig up FDR and bury him upside down" scheme to finally work out for 'yall.

In the meantime I'll keep reading everything that's out there, and regardless of how I feel about this not-so-sweet science of economics, the smell of this post right here will remain familiar I suppose until the day I die.

I just hope and pray that before that day comes, intellectual dishonesty in the space where politics and economics meet has become small enough that it can be drowned in the bathtub.

Having read this post, I have one quick question for you: what is the difference between an "ownership society" and an "every man for himself society"?

Lassiez-faire is red in tooth and claw, no matter what kinder name you try to give it.

Clive,

When are you going to write the column eviserating conservatives for piling debts upon debts? When are you going to write the contrarian column that tax increases are inevitable given the last 8 years fiscal policies? When are you going to tell it like it is, instead of how the republican base wants america to think it is? Try honesty.

There's exactly one reason the Conservative movement wants to privatize Social Securty: To loot it while collecting lucrative commissions. Of course, a "crisis" is needed to get that set up: See savings and loan crisis, Enron energy crisis, mortgage crisis, and on and on and on.

It's really rather like slash and burn agriculture, isn't it?

Ah, the Atlantic. Having aleady given us Andrew Sullivan (now dovish but conservative/libertarian on economic issues), Ross Douthat (social conservative), Megan Mcardle (economic conservative), they just *have* to add yet another conservative (Clive Crook)--to make "Voices" more "fair and balanced" like Fox News no doubt! (Yes, I know there's Matt on the other side. And *sometimes* James Fallows. The overall rightward bias is clear enough, though.)

Can't really complain, though--it's worth what I'm paying for it...

damn, the liberals around here are rabid. Krugman writes that way on purpose, I read his articles daily and he is preaching to the liberal choir, some of whom seem to have found their way over here. Krugman is as partisan as Ann Coulter, just minus the insults.

napablogger,

You are drinking too much wine.

Clive,

Krugman realized at some point the arguments he was winning had no meaning in society. So he began to play by rules that makes him likely to win.

"Krugman realized at some point the arguments he was winning had no meaning in society. So he began to play by rules that makes him likely to win."

'course, transforming himself into just another partisan hack who's dismissed as such doesn't sound like much of a deal, either. But if it gets more copies of his book sold and the $$$ rolling in, that's what really matters, right?

I have to say, I don't really understand what in this post is so incendiary. I'm a Krugman fan, hell, even a Krugman apologist, and I have read this post, and can't for the life of me find anything to get really riled up about.

but of course, that might be because it's dawn and I haven't yet had my coffee. I'll read it again after lunch...


"Mr Obama’s fix, other things equal, ought to appeal to Democrats. He wants to raise or even abolish the upper earnings limit for the social security tax, at present just under $100,000. This would add six percentage points to the top marginal tax rate..."

Wrong. It's 6.2% from you, and the "employer's share" of 6.2% comes out of your hide whether you realize it on not.

So 12.4%. Well, approximately, anyway.

You young folks supporting this stuff should figure out now how you are going to make it when Democrats start taking 70% of your marginal income or that of your spouse, for promises they can revoke any time.

And as for this:

"The Congressional Budget Office recently reported that, on present trends, federal spending on Medicare (for the elderly) and Medicaid (for the poor) will rise from less than 5 per cent of GDP now to 20 per cent of GDP by 2050. Only about 2.5 percentage points of that increase is due to demographics; the rest is due to health-cost inflation, which is persistently much higher than inflation overall."

all I can say is that relying on a 43-year projection from an arm of the government is ludicrous in the extreme. Go back and look at projections from 1963 and see if things came out even REMOTELY that way.

I'm also struck by the rage and bitterness I see in the comments here. Whether you agree with Paul Krugman or not that Bush and all his works should be returned to the Pit From Whence They Issued, it should be clear that this is the default subject of the huge majority of his columns.

You could write a Markov-chain based program to crank out Krugman columns, I'm afraid: "Economic point. Stupid, incompetent handling of point by Bush administration. Stupid, stupid, evil Bush administration. . ." etc. That unfortunately goes for Maureen Dowd ("Catchy rhetorical question about Bush. Pop culture reference. Bad pun. Really, really strained pop-culture analogy to Dick Cheney. Non sequitar. . .") and Bob Herbert ("Civil rights struggles. Any progress since then? Nah. Fault of Republicans. Fault of Bush. Everything fault of Bush. . .")

The NY Times op-ed page really is a wasteland most days, but the choir never tires of being preached to, apparently.

Clive,

Love your articles - part of the reason I still subscribe to the Atlantic. I may not always agree but they certainly make me think.

Which is what I don't understand about 9/10ths of the posters above - they aren't interested in debating the merits of your argument. Why they want to defend a liberal partisan using partisan tactics is beyond me. Why not discuss you ideas and suggestions in the forum provided specifically for that?

Consider this a plea for careful editing of your blog and its comments in order to echo the excellence that the Atlantic embodies.

Okay, James Daniel, I'm a liberal poster, and I'm here to debate the merits of Crooks's argument.

He says Social Security faces no major financing crisis. It can be fixed with a couple of tweaks, at most, if that. Great! He agrees with Krugman and the SS Trustees. No problem here.

He says Social Security should be fixed in the long term in order to encourage an "ownership society". Since the point of SS is to offer a guaranteed benefit in order to prevent mass poverty among the elderly, it is hard to figure out how to do this. Paul Krugman wrote extensively on why it's so hard to do this back in 2005 when the issue was hot. Crooks ignores those arguments here. Basically, you need to provide a guaranteed return even if the markets tank or if people invest unwisely. That means you need to provide less of a return than a private investment could go for -- minimal risk. And, in fact, Krugman had no objection to doing something like this if it became necessary to do so after the entirety of the US national debt were paid off, which was a prospect before the Bush tax cuts. The person who really objected to such government-directed investment in the private market was...Alan Greenspan. Indeed, the RATIONALE behind the Bush tax cuts was in part to AVOID mass Social Security-based government investment in the private market!!!

So to now read THE SAME PEOPLE arguing FOR Social Security investment in the private market simply BOGGLES THE MIND and drives otherwise sane people to start typing in all caps.

It is extremely difficult, when one reads the very same people offering such shifting and shifty justifications for taking money out of the SS system (always with a view to "saving" SS) not to conclude that they are, well, basically trying to steal poor people's money and give it to rich people. Okay, James Daniel?

Dear Clive--

You write in your paragraph 11 that Bush and his people are flat-out liars: "no great fiscal crisis lies in wait for social security.... A fiscal crisis is indeed looming over the next few decades – but its cause is Medicare... the relentless rise in healthcare costs.... [T]he Bush administration’s focus on social security reform was both ill-conceived and, no doubt, deliberately misleading..."

And yet in your paragraph 3 you criticize Paul Krugman for:

"want[ing] to fuel the rage of the administration's opponents more than he wants to help people think through the arguments. He feels that this now serves the greater good. Bush and his people are too wicked for dispassionate analysis, he believes..."

Is there a difference between you other than that you feel compelled, for some reason, to bury the lead--to make sure that your belief that Bush and his people are deliberate liars remains a secret from all those readers who don't make it to paragraph 11?

Score: 1 Brad DeLong, 0 Clive (much as I like most of your stuff Clive).

And don't miss Brad's more careful exposition of his point here.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/BradDelongsSemi-dailyJournal/~3/190414068/i-think-clive-c.html

Derek Lowe:

"You could write a Markov-chain based program to crank out Krugman columns, I'm afraid: "Economic point. Stupid, incompetent handling of point by Bush administration. Stupid, stupid, evil Bush administration. . ." etc."

Considering that the Bush administration *uses* some similar program to generate policies (a spinning wheel which stops on 'hack', 'corrupt', 'evil' or 'incompetant'), it's not surprising that one of the best critics of the administration sounds a bit repetitious.

I love Krugman because he is one of the very few economic commentators who sees beyond objective indicators. Just about everyone else - even politicians - stops at: "Economic growth is so-and-so much. So everything is good/bad." Krugman continually reminds us of the next question: "Does it benefit or hurt people?"

We've come to see the economy as some kind of monster, or god if you prefer, devouring ever more resources, demanding sacrifices, dominating our choices, and our only criterion is: Is it getting fatter? And we need voices like Krugman's to remind us that the beast should be our slave, not our master.

So his focus on people as opposed to systems has made him very, very angry at the Bush administration. Doesn't sound illogical to me. At most I would admit that the NYT shouldn't ask its columnists to contribute two articles a week. That's bad for quality all around. (But I'd rather have Krugman repeating himself than Friedman spouting falsehoods.)

Still waiting on your sources for your certiainty that Krugman is acting in bad faith, Clive.

Maybe you don't know how academia works, Clive, but the reason this matters (someone wondered up above) is that in academia, the charge that someone is acting in bad faith, which you're apparently certain of with Krugman, is the most serious charge you can make in academia.

See, Clive, Krugman has a reputation among serious thinkers in academia. You, Clive, don't. That's why it's incredibly cowardly that you would make a charge that Krugman is acting in bad faith. That's a big charge and big charges require evidence.

So, once again, Clive. WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE THAT KRUGMAN 'WANTS" TO "FUEL RAGE" MORE THAN HE WANTS TO MAKE SERIOUS ARGUMENTS?

If you're anything other than a sniveling coward, Clive, you'll have to ball to produce the citiation for your certainty.

There is, of course, no law, Clive, that say you must do so. But when you start smearing people's reputations in academia and insinuating that they're acting in bad faith, what happens, Clive, is that people think you're person of very low character.

So, let's have it, Clive. where is your evidence for you claims to know what Krugman wants?

We're all ears, Clive.

Well, here's someone whose rage doesn't seem to need fueling at all.

Rts, what I think you're missing here (among other things) is that the rationale that's being offered for Krugman is actually one of the more flattering ones. Looking at his pre-Bush writings and his post-Bush ones, specifically his NY Times columns, Krugman seems to have (charitable explanation) deliberately decided to adopt a polemic stance, or (uncharitable explanation) become slightly unhinged.

You also seem unaccustomed to seeing opinions expressed about the thoughts and writing styles of other people. Clive's statement about Krugman is actually quite mild and friendly - he admires the guy, as an economist. Your treatment of it as a Deadly Insult That Must Be Explained Or Avenged is (charitable explanation) a deliberately polemic stance or (uncharitable explanation) slightly unhinged.

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