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It depends what you mean by "pledged"

19 Feb 2008 05:55 pm

I should have known this but I confess I didn't:

Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign intends to go after delegates whom Barack Obama has already won in the caucuses and primaries if she needs them to win the nomination.

This strategy was confirmed to me by a high-ranking Clinton official on Monday. And I am not talking about superdelegates, those 795 party big shots who are not pledged to anybody. I am talking about getting pledged delegates to switch sides.

What? Isn’t that impossible? A pledged delegate is pledged to a particular candidate and cannot switch, right?

Wrong...

The notion that pledged delegates must vote for a certain candidate is, according to the Democratic National Committee, a “myth.”

“Delegates are NOT bound to vote for the candidate they are pledged to at the convention or on the first ballot,” a recent DNC memo states. “A delegate goes to the convention with a signed pledge of support for a particular presidential candidate. At the convention, while it is assumed that the delegate will cast their vote for the candidate they are publicly pledged to, it is not required.”

Since you can be "pledged" without being "bound", this surely raises the question whether you can be "bound" without being "required", or vice versa, or indeed whether you can be "required" without being "actually required", or "bound, in fact". Fortunately the party has a few lawyers on hand, so I'm sure the correct result will emerge in the end...but am I alone in thinking that this system leaves something to be desired?

Comments (10)

No, you're not alone. I find the whole thing disappointing. I've been trying to make arguments for weeks that Senator Clinton deserves more fair consideration by the overwhelmingly pro-Obama bloggies. But frankly, even thinking of going after pledged delegates (let alone slipping it to the press) is a numbskull notion, the kind of thing I'd have expected from Karl Rove in his post-genius years.

Aren't her managers aware that Democrats are a bit sick of underhanded political tactics? Sure, she's put together a staff with an eye towards fighting Republicans, and she's clearly of the belief that you have to "fight fire with fire" and that matches her campaign staff choices. But as any good ball coach knows, you have to coach to the personnel and the situation. And by now it should be immensely clear that she's not going to beat Obama with strongarm tactics - that stuff reminds Dems of Bush/Rove and plays right to his cards. Instead she should be trying to convince the public that she's likable enough to win the general.

She doesn't have to match charisma with Obama - she just needs to convince people that despite her high negatives with the general public she can draw enough independents in the general election to win. It's not a coincidence her highest positives came after "the cry", an unscripted and touching moment. Her high negatives have always been her big weakness and now her staff seems intent on making it worse. Penn, Ickes, Wolfson, etc. should have all been fired before Patty Solis Doyle.

Is Sen. Clinton trying to make herself look like Nixon?

"But frankly, even thinking of going after pledged delegates (let alone slipping it to the press) is a numbskull notion, the kind of thing I'd have expected from Karl Rove in his post-genius years."

The Clinton's will do whatever it takes to win this thing - they will get as dirty and as underhanded as they need to. As I said on my blog, history shows the Clintons will stop at nothing.

"And by now it should be immensely clear that she's not going to beat Obama with strongarm tactics - that stuff reminds Dems of Bush/Rove and plays right to his cards."

They haven't even started being really mean yet - just wait.

You're not alone. The system is entirely fluid, not in any good way.

If Obama were to become President, he would be wise, at least after a while, to also work on fixing his own party.

Wow. The Democratic party needs to get this shit managed and FAST. Our party leaders are engaged in such a naked, principles be damned, power grap that they would make the most hardened members of the Soviet Politburo blush.

Not good. Not good at all.

"[The Clinton people] haven't even started being really mean yet - just wait."

This is wrong - Hillary & Co. has been trying its best, but it just ain't good enough. Plan A was that the nomination would be Hillary's coronation. When that didn't happen, there was no plan B, just a bunch of sycophants and yes men/women who had no clue.

"This is wrong - Hillary & Co. has been trying its best, but it just ain't good enough."

They've been trying various tactics - whispers about drug usage, crying, sympathy for Chelsea, "solutions for America," plaigarism, kindergarten essays. Seeing what, if anything would stick.

They've favored the softer, whispered approach, because they weren't desperate. Now they are desperate, and they'll use the same hardball tactics they used against Ken Starr, Paula Jones, Linda Tripp etc. Trust me - they'll find some good dirt. They have nothing to lose.

The reason Obama is winning is not because he is the greatest thing since sliced bread,but because a) the Clinton haters are voting against Hillary Clinton, not necessarily for Obama; b) yuppie white liberal guilt; and c) old white men who are more sexist than racist. And, add to that the independents who don't have enough guts to commit to a political party, but have no trouble voting in what is a private (political party) event. God helps us through the Obamamanswoon.

There does seem to be something a bit odd about "pledged" delegates not really being pledged. And it strikes me as very sleazy to publicly declare you're going to try to swipe delegates that were awarded on the basis of his or her performance in an election. That said, this whole story is probably much ado about nothing.

If convention delegates are selected in a manner even remotely similar to that by which presidential electors are picked, the people who go to the conventions are among the most rabid of their candidates' supporters. The campaigns aren't going to pick someone as a delegate to the convention if they think that person's a risk of going wobbly on them during a crucial vote.

Either campaign can talk about going after pledged delegates all they want, but I doubt that it's going to make even a slight difference in the end.


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