This just in from CNN:
Two Florida state senators presented a plan Wednesday to seat the state's delegates at the Democratic National Convention, hoping that Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will embrace their compromise.Florida Senate Democratic Leader Steven Geller and Sen. Jeremy Ring outlined a proposal to seat all the delegates at the convention in August. The plan recommends seating half of Florida's 210 delegates based on the results of the January 29 primary. The remaining delegates could be allocated in a number of ways, including evenly, proportionally based on the national popular vote (excluding Florida and Michigan) or proportionally based on the total national delegate count, also excluding Florida and Michigan. "I invite the campaigns to endorse our compromise to ensure victory in November," Ring said.
This was the part that caught my eye:
"There is no do-over, no mail-in ballots, no complicated math. Just the basic process of American democracy is in play here."
That's all right, then.
It's a total load of manure. If you seat more delegates the number of total delegates not can but must change this thus "Complicated math"
How about simply following the rules, and doing this by the rules in place when the bogus FL primary was held?
No formulae, no schemes, no splitting votes.
MI, and FL were stripped of their delegeates.
That's the rule.
Simply follow the rules.
Sounds good, except for this part:
The remaining delegates could be allocated in a number of ways, including evenly, proportionally based on the national popular vote (excluding Florida and Michigan) or proportionally based on the total national delegate count, also excluding Florida and Michigan...
I'm glad that they uncomplicated this for me.
How about simply following the rules, and doing this by the rules in place when the bogus FL primary was held?
Because "simply following the rules" instead of changing them probably puts this competitive purple state out of reach for the Democratic nominee in November. Perhaps you're a Republican, but as a Democrat I'm more concerned with winning this fall than I am with "punishing" a state that's critical to my party's chances.
Both states (and the party) should do the right thing and hold simple, fair, full primary revotes.
ok some politicians in FL and MI made a decision and i know the people voted them in but they did not make the decision on moving the primarys. so we in this country let the votes not count with al gore and said we would never let that happen again but here it is again and for us the americans that do things for our owen gains need to stand up and say count all the votes and lets fine the representatives that changed the date of the primarys. and if this was your vote would,nt you want it to count. this is our country not representatives.
Exactly which voters will be lost if Florida loses its delegates? I doubt that Florida Democrats will stay home in the fall simply because their party leadership gambled on an early primary and lost.
This scheme has one flaw. You shouldn't count the early primary vote because Obama did not campaign (i.e. he followed the rules).
Any deal starts with stripping Florida of super delegates.
Why is it that all of these 'proposed' solutions invariable award delegates, to Hillary, based on voided elections results? The Florida primary was not accepted because the rules were broken. Accepting any type of solution that awards delegates based on that past vote says it is acceptable to break the rules as long as it favors one of the candidates. I support the seating of the delegates but anything other than an even allocation is unfair to the rules, to the process and to the candidates, and will just encourage the Florida legislature to keep their primary date in January.
You know what?
If the Democratics don't want Forida & Michigan votes, that's fine.
Come election time, we'll just give them to the Republicans.
;-)
Uncomfortable as it is to contemplate Nov. for those of us voting Democrat, Fl and Mi voters have been disenfranchised in the primaries by the stupid maneuverings of their state legislatures.
They will not be disenfranchised in Nov.
Let us hope they direct their disappointment and anger at the state leaders who silenced their primary votes, by dumping them.
If we don't live by our actions, the concept of consequences for ill-considered acts, a philosophy which most of us live by, becomes meaningless.
To do anything else short of a revote, which I favor but which looks to be sunk, is giving the whole thing a "aw shucks, too bad you threw your ice cream cone at that little boy, here, let's just buy you another one" feeling.
Maybe 2 million people stayed home in Fl after being told they couldn't vote. Hillary doesn't deserve to win by the margin of the 1.7 mill that did vote, it's flawed and therefore not representative, period.
Either a revote, or a seating by the ratio of the popular election, and only if the calculation is that that would appease voters in those two states and bring them out in Nov...and not voting GOP.
Any way you look at it, it's a laughable, sad mess.