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When you pander, don't admit it

14 Apr 2008 09:54 pm

The polls suggest that Obama weathered the Jeremiah Wright affair with little or no damage. This new flap--arising from remarks to supporters that most members of the liberal intelligentsia would regard as stating the obvious--may hurt him more.

You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.


What a gift to Hillary. She piled on:

Clinton aides said they planned to make Obama's comments central to their message on the campaign trail this weekend. The New York senator will campaign across Indiana Saturday, and will return to Pennsylvania on Sunday.


In a soft-spoken denunciation of her Democratic rival that lasted several minutes, Clinton played up her own faith and Midwestern roots before attacking point by point Obama's claims that people who feel disenfranchised in small town America "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

"Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith," she said, to periodic applause. "People of faith I know don't cling to religion because they are bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor but because they are spiritually rich."

On the issue of guns, Clinton said: "People of all walks of life hunt, and they enjoy doing do because its an important part of their life, not because they are bitter."

"I don't think it helps to divide our country into one America that is enlightened and one that is not," Clinton continued, finishing her remarks with a line she introduced on Friday in Philadelphia after the story broke: "People don't need a president who looks down on them. They need a president who stands up for them, and that's exactly what I will do."

It has no intellectual merit, but an exuberantly brainless rant by Jane Smiley in reply to Hillary (to think how I admired "A Thousand Acres"...) is worth noting:

So now, Barack Obama tells the truth about conditions as we know them--that the countryside and the small towns are dying in many places in our country, and that the corporatocracy doesn't care enough to do a thing about it. He points out that immigrant-baiting, gay-baiting, gun-baiting, and religious pandering have helped to destroy those towns and that countryside, that those being destroyed have been cynically enlisted by their very own destroyers to provide the votes that help accomplish the destruction. And this is what Senator Hillary Clinton says about it: "Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch. They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."


From Senator Clinton's remarks, I infer that to actually see what has gone on in the US in the last 20 years is unAmerican. It doesn't matter who you are, where you were born, what you pay in taxes, what else you might have contributed to the culture, how you vote, who you support. If you don't support fundamentalist religion, job outsourcing, and free access to guns, then you are not even American.

I cannot believe how angry this makes me. I cannot believe that after the last seven and a half years, I can even get this angry. Yes, I know she is pandering to her audience. Yes, I know she will do anything to get elected. Yes, I know that she and Bill Clinton are corrupt to the core, and that I should have never expected anything better of her. But, please, any of you angry white women who still support this craven shill, don't mention it to me. Do me the following favor -- apologize to your children for not stopping the war that HIllary voted for, the war that is going to impoverish them. Then apologize to them for the effects of global warming that are going to make their lives hell. Then apologize to them for the school shooting they may someday see, the one where the kid gets the guns out of his father's gun case, or buys at a gunshow. Apologize to them for the meaningless wars they are going to fight and pay for. Then tell them that "American values" killed their hopes and maybe killed them. And ask them if they think it's going to be worth it.

Back in the land of the non-raving, Mickey Kaus offers a characteristically painstaking dissection. He enumerates four principal flaws in Obama's comments. He says the remarks combine "things that Obama wants us to think he thinks are good (religion) with things he undoubtedly thinks are bad (racism, anti-immigrant sentiment)". They accuse Pennsylvanians of being racists. They contradict his own position (on trade, at least). And yes, Kaus says, they are plain condescending.

I think I would consolidate points one and three, but otherwise I agree. The reference to trade interested me especially. Up to now, Obama has indeed endorsed anti-trade sentiment. In last week's comments he portrayed that view as an error induced by bitterness and frustration. Anti-trade sentiment is regrettable, he seemed to say (though Ms Smiley is stone-deaf to this implication). But it is understandable that ordinary people should be mistaken on this, and we more successful types, with less to be bitter or frustrated about, should make allowances. If that is not condescension, I don't know what is.

Pandering is one thing. It is to be expected of politicians. But it is unwise, and it violates the etiquette of the profession, to say that you are pandering. Hillary panders to anti-trade sentiment, to the religious, and now (can this be correct?) to gun enthusiasts--all with apparently total conviction. Obama panders less well. I think it is a question of experience.

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Here's why Kaus's points one and three are distinct: On trade, this episode plus a few others suggests that Obama is in fact part of the sophisticated cosmopolitan class, who favor free trade, and that his campaign promises to abrogate NAFTA are just pandering. That is a distinct and disturbing feature of his remarks, different from the other disturbing features, such as illogic and condescension.

More interesting to me is Israel: who are the rubes there? What if Obama is lying to wealthy Jewish donors and intends to pursue a distinctly less pro-Israel course than past administrations, a course more in line with what Jimmy Carter would advocate? Perhaps time will tell.

Ignoring the obvious -- that a white millionaire is accusing a black man of being "elitist" -- it demonstrates the madbess of America when Jane Smiley makes more sense than Mickey Kaus. Will the America public see through Hillary's hypocrisy to Obama's insight? Stay tuned ...

Obama's problem isn't his lack of experience, it is his sincerity-- he really believes these liberal truisms (about working class ignorance and bigotry). His life, after all, doesn't seem to have provided him with much opportunity for associating with working class people on an equal footing. After spending his earliest years outside the country he attended an elite prep school where it's unlikely he ever encounter the sons and daughters of pipe fitters, auto mechanics, dry wallers, assembly workers or workers in the retail and hospitality industries. From there he went on to an elite university and then into the world of politics. His only adult experience with the working class was relatively brief -- as a "community organizer." Not an organizer who arose from and spoke for the working class "community," but an elite expert from elsewhere whose relationship toward the community, while undoubtedly sincere and well intended, was not one of equality.

There's no reason to believe that Clinton, on the other hand, is any less sincere in her attitude of greater respect for the working class; based on a little more familiarity with the working class. Both of her parents came from the working class (her dad was "self-made"), and she attended public schools -- at a time when, even in affluent communities, doing so was likely to offer an environment much more diverse, in terms of class, than a private prep school. (For instance, during the same era I attended a public high school in a small but very affluent town, a short train commute to NY, that served as a bedroom community for several nearby research centers, think tanks and 3 major universities, public and private. It provided me, the daughter of a welder, and other working class students like me, with an opportunity to compete with, befriend, and get the know the families of, the sons and daughters of CEOs, university professors, physicists, members of prestigious financial firms, affluent lawyers and other professionals -- and provided them with the opportunity to associate with working class students like me.)

As for Hillary's pandering on religion and guns; her entire history indicates that religion has always been an important part of her life. Why accept that Obama is not pandering when he speaks of religion, but assume she is? As for her statement about her Dad teaching her to shoot a gun -- there's nothing unusual in that (my Dad bought me a .22 when I was five). She was relating a bit of personal biography that many in her audience could relate to and identify with -- something that politicians not only do routinely, but need to do -- not indicating in anyway that she had changed her political position.

The truth is, the real pandering took place in San Francisco -- when Obama said what he said he was pandering to his audience's class perceptions and prejudices.

"...a question of experience."

An experienced, and as you point out earlier, exuberant panderer. Well said.

"...a question of experience."

An experienced, and as you point out earlier, exuberant panderer. Well said.

MY FELLOW BITTER, STUPID, WORKING CLASS PEOPLE.

YOU MIGHT BE AN IDIOT, TOO :-(

If you think like Barack Obama, that WORKING CLASS PEOPLE are just a bunch of BITTER!, STUPID, PEASANTS, Cash COWS!, and CANNON FODDER. :-(

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think Barack Obama with little or no experience would be better than Hillary Clinton with 35 years experience.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can fix an economy on the verge of collapse better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) led the greatest economic expansion, and prosperity in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience fighting for universal health care can get it for you better than Hillary Clinton. Who anticipated this current health care crisis back in 1993, and fought a pitched battle against overwhelming odds to get universal health care for all the American people.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience can manage, and get us out of two wars better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) went to war only when he was convinced that he absolutely had to. Then completed the mission in record time against a nuclear power. AND DID NOT LOSE THE LIFE OF A SINGLE AMERICAN SOLDIER. NOT ONE!

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience saving the environment is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) left office with the greatest amount of environmental cleanup, and protections in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with little or no education experience is better than Hillary Clinton. Whose husband (Bill Clinton) made higher education affordable for every American. And created higher job demand and starting salary’s than they had ever been before or since.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that Obama with no experience will be better than Hillary Clinton who spent 8 years at the right hand of President Bill Clinton. Who is already on record as one of the greatest Presidents in American history.

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think that you can change the way Washington works with pretty speeches from Obama, rather than with the experience, and political expertise of two master politicians ON YOUR SIDE like Hillary and Bill Clinton..

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

If you think all those Republicans voting for Obama in the Democratic primaries, and caucuses are doing so because they think he is a stronger Democratic candidate than Hillary Clinton. :-)

Best regards

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

p.s.

If you don't know that the huge amounts of money funding the Obama campaign to try and defeat Hillary Clinton is coming in from the insurance, and medical industry, that has been ripping you off, and killing you and your children. And denying you, and your loved ones the life saving medical care you needed. All just so they can make more huge immoral profits for them-selves off of your suffering...

You Might Be An Idiot, Too!

You see, back in 1993 Hillary Clinton had the audacity, and nerve to try and get quality, affordable universal health care for everyone to prevent the suffering and needless deaths of hundreds of thousands of you each year. :-)

Approx. 100,000 of you die each year from medical accidents from a rush to profit by the insurance, and medical industry. Another 120,000 of you die each year from treatable illness that people in other developed countries don’t die from. And I could go on, and on...

DON'T BE DUPED !!!

Large numbers of Republicans have been voting for Barack Obama in the DEMOCRATIC primaries, and caucuses from early on. Because they feel he would be a weaker opponent against John McCain. With Hillary Clinton you are almost 100% certain to get quality, affordable universal health care very soon.

But first, all of you have to make certain that Hillary Clinton takes the democratic nomination and then the Whitehouse. NOW! is the time. THIS! is the moment you have all been working, and waiting for. You can do this America. “Carpe diem” (harvest the day).

I think Hillary Clinton see’s a beautiful world of plenty for all. She’s a woman, and a mother. And it’s time America. Do this for your-selves, and your children’s future. You will have to work together on this and be aggressive, relentless, and creative. Americans face an even worse catastrophe ahead than the one you are living through now.

You see, the medical and insurance industry mostly support the republicans with the money they ripped off from you. And they don’t want you to have quality, affordable universal health care. They want to be able to continue to rip you off, and kill you and your children by continuing to deny you life saving medical care that you have already paid for. So they can continue to make more immoral profits for them-selves.

Hillary Clinton has actually won by much larger margins than the vote totals showed. And lost by much smaller vote margins than the vote totals showed. Her delegate count is actually much higher than it shows. And higher than Obama’s. She also leads in the electoral college numbers that you must win to become President in the November national election. HILLARY CLINTON IS ALREADY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!

As much as 30% of Obama's primary, and caucus votes are Republicans trying to choose the weakest democratic candidate for McCain to run against. These Republicans have been gaming the caucuses where it is easier to vote cheat. This is why Obama has not been able to win the BIG! states primaries. Even with Republican vote cheating help.

Hillary Clinton has been OUT MANNED! OUT GUNNED! and OUT SPENT! 4 and 5 to 1. Yet Obama has only been able to manage a very tenuous, and questionable tie with Hillary Clinton.

If Obama is the democratic nominee for the national election in November he will be slaughtered. Because the Republican vote cheating help will suddenly evaporate. All of this vote fraud and republican manipulation has made Obama falsely look like a much stronger candidate than he really is. YOUNG PEOPLE. DON’T BE DUPED! Think about it. You have the most to lose.

The democratic party needs to fix this outrage. Everyone needs to throw all your support to Hillary Clinton NOW! So you can end this outrage against YOU the voter, and against democracy.
The democratic party, and the super-delegates have a decision to make. Are the democrats, and the democratic party going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee to fight for the American people. Or are the republicans going to choose the DEMOCRATIC party nominee through vote fraud, and gaming the DEMOCRATIC party primaries, and caucuses.

Fortunately the Clinton’s have been able to hold on against this fraudulent outrage with those repeated dramatic comebacks of Hillary Clinton’s. Only the Clinton’s are that resourceful, and strong. Hillary Clinton is your NOMINEE. They are the best I have ever seen.

“This is not a game” (Hillary Clinton)

Sincerely

jacksmith... Working Class :-)

I suspect Mr. Crook has his tongue firmly in his cheek. As a political pessimist, demonstrated by sentence 2 of the final paragraph, Mr. Crook might be showing that Obama's admission to pandering is part of his message of hope and a new order in Washington. If Obama gets the nomination despite telling the truth, maybe the etiquette (gee, that's a strong word given the profession) of the profession can go through a revision?

Clive, I so often agree with you, but you always lose me when you fail to recognize the damage corporations are doing to America and the world.

Maybe Obama's slip up is something of a revelation? Consider that soon--maybe it's happened already?--the populations of major metropolitan areas will outweigh those of rural areas, and presidential politics will no longer have to pander to the blue collar, undereducated, church pew folks who seem to always get the last word? Maybe their way of life is becoming less American, and they might do well to adapt their views somewhat to those of the urban folk, rather than--as what has happened historically--the city folk falling over backwards to become more like them?
Or, as David Brooks pointed out today, maybe the reality is altogether different? Most of these Pennsylvanians everyone's talking about are plugging away in suburban corporate parks, not waiting for the mill to open back up; in which case, the perspectives of the candidates and the voters are both illusory.

The other problem with his remarks is that actual data show it to be backwards. Wealthy rural inhabitants vote Republicans; poor rural inhabitants are conservative on social issues but vote for Democrats based on economics, and having been voting for Democrats increasingly so for decades.

He's got it turned around. It's security, not insecurity, that makes people feel free to vote on social issues rather than the pocketbook.

The big difference between the Democratic and Republican states is at what income level people start being more likely to vote for Republicans, and how steep the slope is between income and Republican voting propensity. In the Democratic states, which are wealthier, more educated, and have much greater income inequality (and where home prices are much higher compared to income, so that it's much harder for someone to achieve the "American Dream"), the median income votes Democratic; vice versa in Republican states.

There are of course lots of stories to tell; those who lean Left will praise at least the education, and perhaps the income, in the Democratic states. Those who lean Right will praise the equality and ease of obtaining the American Dream in the Republican states. (See e.g., Texas and North Carolina, both growing very quickly with strong economies but with affordable housing.)

Check out the article “Barack’s “Underground” Friends” http://savagepolitics.com/?p=291


http://www.savagepolitics.com
brilliant writing plus it offers a great community in which to discuss. The editor actually takes time to answer and the political humor section is awesome!!!

A bit late here, but since when has Mickey "MEXICAAAAAAAAAAANS!" Kaus rejoined "the land of the non-raving"?

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